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Images on death list pagesEdit

Hi all. This past year I have worked diligently in creating the Deaths in 1995 by month articles over several months. Mill 1 has recently done excellent work copy editing these lists so that the format aligns with other death lists by month. I noticed that in doing so Mill 1 removed the many images I had added to the article, all of which were usable and on wiki commons with proper free licensing or in the public domain. In looking at the other deaths by month article I can see this was done because there are no images on any of the other deaths lists. I would imagine there was some sort of discussion about not including images at this project sometime in the past, and for this reason the images were removed. However, I think this a bad policy and that images should be included within these lists for multiple reasons. 1) Without images these articles could never pass a Featured List review. 2) Images make the page more interesting to the reader 3) The absence of images has no benefit to the encyclopedia and in my view creates inferior lists. As such, I would respectfully ask that images be used within all the death list articles. Best.4meter4 (talk) 15:59, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Are there any agreed criteria for who gets a picture? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:52, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
@Martinevans123 I don't think we need to get that detailed. It was difficult enough trying to fill a page with usable images as we can't use fair use rationales for images of individuals on lists like these for copyright law reasons. In other words, we are limited to images available through a Creative Commons license or images within the public domain. That's fine, but it does limit choices on who gets coverage by virtue of what we can legally use. I was able to fill most of the pages for the months of 1995 deaths with images available through this licensing, but just barely. If we ever do get to the point where we have more images than we can use (doubtful) then we could discuss some sort of criteria. For me, if the person is notable enough to have their own wiki page and they have a image that is available on WikiCommons then we can include it. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 17:21, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
If there are many more deaths than images, then I guess there's no problem. So what about consistency with all the other similar death list articles? There's nothing special about 1995, is there? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
Well obviously this would apply to all years. I just happen to be working on the year 1995. Hopefully other editors will take an interest in adding images to all the death list articles. A further thought on your first question, if we ever do reach a point where we have an excess of images we could always create an image gallery at the bottom of the page for overflow. But again, I really don't think this is going to be a problem as most biographical articles (at least ones in the last 100 years) contain either no picture or use pictures with fair use rationales. As I hinted at above, fair use rationales for images can only be used on biography pages where the image is depicting the primary subject of the article. As lists are not primarily about one subject, we are not legally able to use fair use images for copyright reasons. As such, our bank of usable images is relatively small. My hope is we add what is freely available to all the death list articles.4meter4 (talk) 17:39, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I assume the use of "fair use" images (the exact criteria for which are not always clear to me) at the main articles preclude their use in list articles. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
I think we need to focus on the subject of this discussion before we decide on who in the list gets a picture, the subject being: will images be allowed in the deaths list pages? Currently there is no consensus about using them. Editors have decided by consensus to use a simple cite, the reason being that it slows down loading time. It is true that 'older' pages (before 2006) contain less entries than 'newer' pages that were updated on a daily basis as the month progressed. However, I fear that adding images could make the older pages slow to load, also because full citation style is used regarding references in them. And there's another thing also pointed out by @Martinevans123: what about consistency with all the other similar death list articles? I have seen how much time and effort it took for @4meter4 to add images to the twelve months of 1995 and it pained me to remove them. But currently there are (27 years * 12 =) 324 deaths list pages and it is going to be a humongous task adding images to them all. 4meter4 can state "Hopefully other editors will take an interest in adding images to all the death list articles" but I predict that the sheer amount work will lead to some articles having images and others not. And adding images to pages up to a specific year (say 2000) wouldn't be enforcable btw. We spent a lot of effort in standardizing the deaths lists which were a mess just a couple of years ago so I am not against images in pages per se but I do not see how we can maintain consistency when we allow it. What say you @WWGB? Mill 1 (talk) 11:23, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
If consistency is an issue, I don't mind pitching in and working on adding images to all the articles (however help would be nice).4meter4 (talk) 14:34, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Rock Springs massacreEdit

I have nominated Rock Springs massacre for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 20:42, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

possible new article - murder of Paulina DembskaEdit

Can someone write an article about the Murder of Paulina Dembska? She was a Polish woman who was raped and murdered in Malta on 2 January. This appalling case has been covered by many media sources - for example

https://timesofmalta.com/articles/view/paulina-dembska-identified-as-sliema-murder-victim.925273 https://www.independent.com.mt/articles/2022-01-03/local-news/Lead-suspect-in-Sliema-murder-claimed-he-was-taken-over-by-the-devil-6736239504 https://www.guidememalta.com/en/fundraisers-launched-to-erect-paulina-dembska-memorial-statue-and-repatriate-her-remains https://www.corrieredimalta.com/attualita/pioggia-di-donazioni-per-supportare-il-rimpatrio-della-salma-di-paulina-dembska/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.11.98.92 (talk) 12:01, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Most murders and other crimes don't meet WP:NEVENT (t · c) buidhe 09:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Torajan peopleEdit

I have nominated Torajan people for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. (t · c) buidhe 09:10, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sourcesEdit

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

  • John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

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